Trump admin trying to cut SS Disability, Medicare

Doug

Member
Don't believe his words or tweets, the budget proposals came out yesterday. He is lying and breaking a campaign promise, by attempting to increase the frequency of Disability Reviews to cut the number on Disability, and cut reimbursements to providers through Medicare (which will lead to less providers who are willing to participate with Medicare, when there is already a lack in mental health care).

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/todaysdebate/2020/01/27/trump-administration-cuts-disability-benefits-among-cruelest-editorials-debates/4592737002/

If you have Disability or value Disability benefits in the USA or need Medicare as an insurance program you may wish to write to your Congressperson and Senators, as I have done. Tell them to oppose these dangerous changes and cuts.

Here is the nitty gritty about the details of the Disability changes (not for the feint of heart, really complicated and long):
https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2019/11/18/2019-24700/rules-regarding-the-frequency-and-notice-of-continuing-disability-reviews
 

Aeowulf

Member
I'm pretty sure he will be now because the mess the Democrats made in the impeachment trial.

Also, on a grass-roots level in some states (VA,KY), the actions of Democrats have rallied Republicans and Independents together to fight the Democrats. I've never voted for a Republican in my life, but based on their actions here in VA, I will be.

Trying to see it as the lesser of two evils. The Democrats want to make me a felon outright for possessing things I've always possessed. The Republicans don't. So, I have to make my stand there.

As for President, there will be a Libertarian on the ballot and I will be voting for them as I can't vote for Trump either.
 

zoldos

Administrator
Staff member
I don't know anything about politics. I also don't vote. I refuse to partake in what seems to be a broken system.

However, I respect other people's opinions in the matter....
 

Aeowulf

Member
I don't know anything about politics. I also don't vote. I refuse to partake in what seems to be a broken system.

However, I respect other people's opinions in the matter....
In that you are not wrong. The system is absolutely broken.

I'm a huge fan of ranked-choice voting that would allow those independents and third-parties a chance, and give people a true representation. Right now, everyone goes for the "lesser of two evils, to me" and we're stuck on a path to civil war once again.
 

Doug

Member
I have to vote, my conscience won't allow me not to. I have also written to my Congressman and Senators about this issue. I was too late to get input in to the SSA as the public comment period had closed before I heard about it.

I could really care less about guns, I don't own one and don't want one. I'm more concerned with my way of living, I am on Disability Insurance for a mental illness and I need that income plus Medicare as I cannot work. I can't vote for any party that wants to tear apart existing healthcare safeguards and puts up roadblocks to expanding it.

Libertarians (such as my House Representative) believe that there should be no social programs at all, no Social Security or Medicare, which is the worst of the evils in my book.
 

Aeowulf

Member
Libertarians (such as my House Representative) believe that there should be no social programs at all, no Social Security or Medicare, which is the worst of the evils in my book.
Libertarians believe the government is the worst entity to perform those functions.

I grew up poor. Like, living in a shed, no electricity, no baths for weeks on end poor. The government didn't provide any services or help to us, and if anything were threatening to take even more away (all we had was each other). The one thing we never had issues with: Giving. Private organizations (mostly churches) that provided any food we needed, a place to stay for short bursts if we needed it. A place to sit in the AC and commune with people of needed. The government came through and outlawed most of what they were doing and we went without.

The government has always tried to be the "end all" in peoples lives, but if anything they do worse by everyone. My personal experience, and my time working within the government, I can definitively say they are not your friend. They are working to make as many people as they can mindless cattle.
 

Doug

Member
You really expect churches to provide for all the poor and disabled in the USA? Really? I guess pro-bono doctors too? What about the expensive medications? I am not mocking you, I am seriously trying to figure it out, what do the libertarians propose in order to fill the need in mental health services and health care? I don't believe you understand the scope of the need.

One in five face mental health challenges, and the United States has one of the strictest Disability systems of the First World. We don't get on it if we are not genuinely qualified. It is very expensive and difficult to treat disabling mental illnesses that very often do not improve over time.

I guess we have very different opinions on the government and how it should take care of the vulnerable. I don't believe we should be left to die. I don't at all feel that the government is doing worse by those of us it is aiding to live fulfilling lives who would otherwise be dead.

I have strong opinions about stigma too (see here: https://thesyndicatelounge.com/threads/55/#post-190) and would not refer to those of us here who are daily battling mental illnesses but need help (even from the government) as "mindless cattle". This is a mental health oriented site isn't it? I would refer to us as heroes, mental health warriors, or champions.
 
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Aeowulf

Member
You really expect churches to provide for all the poor and disabled in the USA? Really? I guess pro-bono doctors too? What about the expensive medications? I am not mocking you, I am seriously trying to figure it out, what do the libertarians propose in order to fill the need in mental health services and health care? I don't believe you understand the scope of the need.
Starting with medication, a lot of the expense is directly related to government involvement. Pharmaceutical companies have been able to use government policy to enact favorable price protection legislation. That's crony-capitalism, and its why you have a single company that can charge excessive prices for a drug. If the free market were able to flourish and these large pharmaceutical conglomerates weren't able to use the government to legislate favorable for them, there would be multiple competitors for the same drug, ultimately lowering prices. The government should be there as a protection mechanism only, but right now they're part of the problem. Medication wouldn't be as expensive, so buying it wouldn't be as costly. You shouldn't need insurance for everyday medication. Insurance is supposed to protect against catastrophic situations, but again its been legislated that everyone has to have it, so now its used for EVERYTHING driving prices for everything up. The majority of people working in the medical field are for administration (billing, insurance, etc). Cut those jobs out and costs can once again drop. When things are cheaper, these charities are more able to expand what they're capable of doing, not to mention family and friends also able to support more as their own costs go down.

One in five face mental health challenges, and the United States has one of the strictest Disability systems of the First World. We don't get on it if we are not genuinely qualified. It is very expensive and difficult to treat disabling mental illnesses that very often do not improve over time.
I guess we have very different opinions on the government and how it should take care of the vulnerable. I don't believe we should be left to die. I don't at all feel that the government is doing worse by those of us it is aiding to live fulfilling lives who would otherwise be dead.
No one's saying you should be left to die. Before government got involved, there was always a place to go. Now, you only have one choice. Government. That's not the answer. By having less government, we can get back to the real care people need. PEOPLE. People don't care anymore as they expect the government to do and provide everything for them. It shouldn't work this way. There's also nothing preventing local government from stepping up and doing something about. To the federal government, everyone is just statistics.

I have strong opinions about stigma too (see here: https://thesyndicatelounge.com/threads/55/#post-190) and would not refer to those of us here who are daily battling mental illnesses but need help (even from the government) as "mindless cattle". This is a mental health oriented site isn't it? I would refer to us as heroes, mental health warriors, or champions.
There's a difference. I have two direct family members living on disability right now. Funnily enough my dad and my stepdad. The difference: One is unable to think for himself is so vehemently pro-government on everything that he has literally threatened people's lives for disagreeing with his stance. The other, may not be the best but he has a healthy free-thinking thought pattern and can at least question what he's being fed. He doesn't lean too hard in either direction, and he's the one I can take serious. He understands that its not someone's responsibility to care for him, but appreciates it.

The pro-government one: Has never volunteered to help another human being in his life. All about me, me, what can you do for me?
The free thinker: He has literally given the shirt off his back to help others, we've pulled bodies from tornado wreckage helping out our community, pulled a couple from a burning car, he ha never questioned why anyone else or the government should be doing these things, and he does everything he can up to the point he can't.
 

Doug

Member
Aeowulf, a lot of what you are saying didn't make a ton of sense to me, it seemed not to apply to the real society we live in here in the USA.

You also seem to keep implying that Disability is welfare, or the equivalent, which I take umbridge with, as it is not correct.

And, the "place" mentally ill patients use to have to go to before was an insane asylum. That wasn't too far back in our past. Do some research about the history of mental illness treatment before talking about it. We have come a long way since those dark days and we aren't going to return to them.

As I said in my original post, "If you have Disability or value Disability benefits in the USA or need Medicare as an insurance program you may wish to write to your Congressperson and Senators, as I have done. Tell them to oppose these dangerous changes and cuts." This seems not to apply to you. But you may vote Libertarian if you'd like, I won't stop you.

Peace.
 

Ravenfreak

New Member
Trump is definitely one of the worst presidents we've had. He just continues to break promises that he once had, but what politician doesn't do that? I typically don't keep up with politics, because it just angers me and in some cases confuses me too if I'm being honest, but I just can't stand the guy.
 

zoldos

Administrator
Staff member
Trump is definitely one of the worst presidents we've had. He just continues to break promises that he once had, but what politician doesn't do that? I typically don't keep up with politics, because it just angers me and in some cases confuses me too if I'm being honest, but I just can't stand the guy.
I don't know much about politics, but I can tell when someone doesn't know what the fuck they are doing = Trump.
 

Aeowulf

Member
Aeowulf, a lot of what you are saying didn't make a ton of sense to me, it seemed not to apply to the real society we live in here in the USA.
I guess long story short, I'm just trying to say those that don't expect the government to provide everything are more willing to helpful to everyone, while those that expect the government to provide everything, are not willing to help much at all. They expect the government to do it.

Besides, mental health services are the last thing that Libertarians would even worry about cutting. There's billions wasted elsewhere that's considerably more important (foreign wars, subsidies for politicized industries, propping up foreign governments, etc).
 
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