Trump admin trying to cut SS Disability, Medicare

Doug

Member
Don't believe his words or tweets, the budget proposals came out yesterday. He is lying and breaking a campaign promise, by attempting to increase the frequency of Disability Reviews to cut the number on Disability, and cut reimbursements to providers through Medicare (which will lead to less providers who are willing to participate with Medicare, when there is already a lack in mental health care).

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/todaysdebate/2020/01/27/trump-administration-cuts-disability-benefits-among-cruelest-editorials-debates/4592737002/

If you have Disability or value Disability benefits in the USA or need Medicare as an insurance program you may wish to write to your Congressperson and Senators, as I have done. Tell them to oppose these dangerous changes and cuts.

Here is the nitty gritty about the details of the Disability changes (not for the feint of heart, really complicated and long):
https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2019/11/18/2019-24700/rules-regarding-the-frequency-and-notice-of-continuing-disability-reviews
 

Aeowulf

Active Member
I'm pretty sure he will be now because the mess the Democrats made in the impeachment trial.

Also, on a grass-roots level in some states (VA,KY), the actions of Democrats have rallied Republicans and Independents together to fight the Democrats. I've never voted for a Republican in my life, but based on their actions here in VA, I will be.

Trying to see it as the lesser of two evils. The Democrats want to make me a felon outright for possessing things I've always possessed. The Republicans don't. So, I have to make my stand there.

As for President, there will be a Libertarian on the ballot and I will be voting for them as I can't vote for Trump either.
 

zoldos

Administrator
Staff member
I don't know anything about politics. I also don't vote. I refuse to partake in what seems to be a broken system.

However, I respect other people's opinions in the matter....
 

Aeowulf

Active Member
I don't know anything about politics. I also don't vote. I refuse to partake in what seems to be a broken system.

However, I respect other people's opinions in the matter....
In that you are not wrong. The system is absolutely broken.

I'm a huge fan of ranked-choice voting that would allow those independents and third-parties a chance, and give people a true representation. Right now, everyone goes for the "lesser of two evils, to me" and we're stuck on a path to civil war once again.
 

Doug

Member
I have to vote, my conscience won't allow me not to. I have also written to my Congressman and Senators about this issue. I was too late to get input in to the SSA as the public comment period had closed before I heard about it.

I could really care less about guns, I don't own one and don't want one. I'm more concerned with my way of living, I am on Disability Insurance for a mental illness and I need that income plus Medicare as I cannot work. I can't vote for any party that wants to tear apart existing healthcare safeguards and puts up roadblocks to expanding it.

Libertarians (such as my House Representative) believe that there should be no social programs at all, no Social Security or Medicare, which is the worst of the evils in my book.
 

Aeowulf

Active Member
Libertarians (such as my House Representative) believe that there should be no social programs at all, no Social Security or Medicare, which is the worst of the evils in my book.
Libertarians believe the government is the worst entity to perform those functions.

I grew up poor. Like, living in a shed, no electricity, no baths for weeks on end poor. The government didn't provide any services or help to us, and if anything were threatening to take even more away (all we had was each other). The one thing we never had issues with: Giving. Private organizations (mostly churches) that provided any food we needed, a place to stay for short bursts if we needed it. A place to sit in the AC and commune with people of needed. The government came through and outlawed most of what they were doing and we went without.

The government has always tried to be the "end all" in peoples lives, but if anything they do worse by everyone. My personal experience, and my time working within the government, I can definitively say they are not your friend. They are working to make as many people as they can mindless cattle.
 

Doug

Member
You really expect churches to provide for all the poor and disabled in the USA? Really? I guess pro-bono doctors too? What about the expensive medications? I am not mocking you, I am seriously trying to figure it out, what do the libertarians propose in order to fill the need in mental health services and health care? I don't believe you understand the scope of the need.

One in five face mental health challenges, and the United States has one of the strictest Disability systems of the First World. We don't get on it if we are not genuinely qualified. It is very expensive and difficult to treat disabling mental illnesses that very often do not improve over time.

I guess we have very different opinions on the government and how it should take care of the vulnerable. I don't believe we should be left to die. I don't at all feel that the government is doing worse by those of us it is aiding to live fulfilling lives who would otherwise be dead.

I have strong opinions about stigma too (see here: https://thesyndicatelounge.com/threads/55/#post-190) and would not refer to those of us here who are daily battling mental illnesses but need help (even from the government) as "mindless cattle". This is a mental health oriented site isn't it? I would refer to us as heroes, mental health warriors, or champions.
 
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Aeowulf

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You really expect churches to provide for all the poor and disabled in the USA? Really? I guess pro-bono doctors too? What about the expensive medications? I am not mocking you, I am seriously trying to figure it out, what do the libertarians propose in order to fill the need in mental health services and health care? I don't believe you understand the scope of the need.
Starting with medication, a lot of the expense is directly related to government involvement. Pharmaceutical companies have been able to use government policy to enact favorable price protection legislation. That's crony-capitalism, and its why you have a single company that can charge excessive prices for a drug. If the free market were able to flourish and these large pharmaceutical conglomerates weren't able to use the government to legislate favorable for them, there would be multiple competitors for the same drug, ultimately lowering prices. The government should be there as a protection mechanism only, but right now they're part of the problem. Medication wouldn't be as expensive, so buying it wouldn't be as costly. You shouldn't need insurance for everyday medication. Insurance is supposed to protect against catastrophic situations, but again its been legislated that everyone has to have it, so now its used for EVERYTHING driving prices for everything up. The majority of people working in the medical field are for administration (billing, insurance, etc). Cut those jobs out and costs can once again drop. When things are cheaper, these charities are more able to expand what they're capable of doing, not to mention family and friends also able to support more as their own costs go down.

One in five face mental health challenges, and the United States has one of the strictest Disability systems of the First World. We don't get on it if we are not genuinely qualified. It is very expensive and difficult to treat disabling mental illnesses that very often do not improve over time.
I guess we have very different opinions on the government and how it should take care of the vulnerable. I don't believe we should be left to die. I don't at all feel that the government is doing worse by those of us it is aiding to live fulfilling lives who would otherwise be dead.
No one's saying you should be left to die. Before government got involved, there was always a place to go. Now, you only have one choice. Government. That's not the answer. By having less government, we can get back to the real care people need. PEOPLE. People don't care anymore as they expect the government to do and provide everything for them. It shouldn't work this way. There's also nothing preventing local government from stepping up and doing something about. To the federal government, everyone is just statistics.

I have strong opinions about stigma too (see here: https://thesyndicatelounge.com/threads/55/#post-190) and would not refer to those of us here who are daily battling mental illnesses but need help (even from the government) as "mindless cattle". This is a mental health oriented site isn't it? I would refer to us as heroes, mental health warriors, or champions.
There's a difference. I have two direct family members living on disability right now. Funnily enough my dad and my stepdad. The difference: One is unable to think for himself is so vehemently pro-government on everything that he has literally threatened people's lives for disagreeing with his stance. The other, may not be the best but he has a healthy free-thinking thought pattern and can at least question what he's being fed. He doesn't lean too hard in either direction, and he's the one I can take serious. He understands that its not someone's responsibility to care for him, but appreciates it.

The pro-government one: Has never volunteered to help another human being in his life. All about me, me, what can you do for me?
The free thinker: He has literally given the shirt off his back to help others, we've pulled bodies from tornado wreckage helping out our community, pulled a couple from a burning car, he ha never questioned why anyone else or the government should be doing these things, and he does everything he can up to the point he can't.
 

Doug

Member
I did my part. Or part of it anyway, I still need to vote for candidates that support my viewpoints. Debbie is one of them.

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Doug

Member
Aeowulf, a lot of what you are saying didn't make a ton of sense to me, it seemed not to apply to the real society we live in here in the USA.

You also seem to keep implying that Disability is welfare, or the equivalent, which I take umbridge with, as it is not correct.

And, the "place" mentally ill patients use to have to go to before was an insane asylum. That wasn't too far back in our past. Do some research about the history of mental illness treatment before talking about it. We have come a long way since those dark days and we aren't going to return to them.

As I said in my original post, "If you have Disability or value Disability benefits in the USA or need Medicare as an insurance program you may wish to write to your Congressperson and Senators, as I have done. Tell them to oppose these dangerous changes and cuts." This seems not to apply to you. But you may vote Libertarian if you'd like, I won't stop you.

Peace.
 

Ravenfreak

New Member
Trump is definitely one of the worst presidents we've had. He just continues to break promises that he once had, but what politician doesn't do that? I typically don't keep up with politics, because it just angers me and in some cases confuses me too if I'm being honest, but I just can't stand the guy.
 

zoldos

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Staff member
Trump is definitely one of the worst presidents we've had. He just continues to break promises that he once had, but what politician doesn't do that? I typically don't keep up with politics, because it just angers me and in some cases confuses me too if I'm being honest, but I just can't stand the guy.
I don't know much about politics, but I can tell when someone doesn't know what the fuck they are doing = Trump.
 

Aeowulf

Active Member
Aeowulf, a lot of what you are saying didn't make a ton of sense to me, it seemed not to apply to the real society we live in here in the USA.
I guess long story short, I'm just trying to say those that don't expect the government to provide everything are more willing to helpful to everyone, while those that expect the government to provide everything, are not willing to help much at all. They expect the government to do it.

Besides, mental health services are the last thing that Libertarians would even worry about cutting. There's billions wasted elsewhere that's considerably more important (foreign wars, subsidies for politicized industries, propping up foreign governments, etc).
 

Doug

Member
Why I Am a Liberal: by Lori Gallagher Witt
Sunday, October 28, 2018

Evidently, several iterations back this was started by a woman named Lori Gallagher Witt, the brilliance is hers:

An open letter to friends and family who are shocked to discover I'm a liberal... I've always been a liberal, but that doesn't mean what a lot of you apparently think it does.

Some of you suspected. Some of you were shocked. Many of you have known me for years, even the majority of my life. We either steadfastly avoided political topics, or I carefully steered conversations away from the more incendiary subjects in the name of keeping the peace. "I'm a liberal" isn't really something you broadcast in social circles where "the liberals" can't be said without wrinkling one's nose.

But then the 2016 election happened, and staying quiet wasn't an option anymore. Since then, I've received no shortage of emails and comments from people who were shocked, horrified, disappointed, disgusted, or otherwise displeased to realize I am *wrinkles nose* a liberal. Yep. I'm one of those bleeding heart commies who hates anyone who's white, straight, or conservative, and who wants the government to dictate everything you do while taking your money and giving it to people who don't work.

Or am I?

Let's break it down, shall we? Because quite frankly, I'm getting a little tired of being told what I believe and what I stand for. Spoiler alert: Not every liberal is the same, though the majority of liberals I know think along roughly these same lines:

1. I believe a country should take care of its weakest members. A country cannot call itself civilized when its children, disabled, sick, and elderly are neglected. Period.

2. I believe healthcare is a right, not a privilege. Somehow that's interpreted as "I believe Obamacare is the end-all, be-all." This is not the case. I'm fully aware that the ACA has problems, that a national healthcare system would require everyone to chip in, and that it's impossible to create one that is devoid of flaws, but I have yet to hear an argument against it that makes "let people die because they can't afford healthcare" a better alternative. I believe healthcare should be far cheaper than it is, and that everyone should have access to it. And no, I'm not opposed to paying higher taxes in the name of making that happen.

3. I believe education should be affordable and accessible to everyone. It doesn't necessarily have to be free (though it works in other countries so I'm mystified as to why it can't work in the US), but at the end of the day, there is no excuse for students graduating college saddled with five- or six-figure debt.

4. I don't believe your money should be taken from you and given to people who don't want to work. I have literally never encountered anyone who believes this. Ever. I just have a massive moral problem with a society where a handful of people can possess the majority of the wealth while there are people literally starving to death, freezing to death, or dying because they can't afford to go to the doctor. Fair wages, lower housing costs, universal healthcare, affordable education, and the wealthy actually paying their share would go a long way toward alleviating this. Somehow believing that makes me a communist.

5. I don't throw around "I'm willing to pay higher taxes" lightly. I'm retired and on a fixed income, but I still pay taxes. If I'm suggesting something that involves paying more, well, it's because I'm fine with paying my share as long as it's actually going to something besides lining corporate pockets or bombing other countries while Americans die without healthcare.

6. I believe companies should be required to pay their employees a decent, livable wage. Somehow this is always interpreted as me wanting burger flippers to be able to afford a penthouse apartment and a Mercedes. What it actually means is that no one should have to work three full-time jobs just to keep their head above water. Restaurant servers should not have to rely on tips, multibillion dollar companies should not have employees on food stamps, workers shouldn't have to work themselves into the ground just to barely make ends meet, and minimum wage should be enough for someone to work 40 hours and live.

7. I am not anti-Christian. I have no desire to stop Christians from being Christians, to close churches, to ban the Bible, to forbid prayer in school, etc. (BTW, prayer in school is NOT illegal; *compulsory* prayer in school is - and should be - illegal). All I ask is that Christians recognize *my* right to live according to *my* beliefs. When I get pissed off that a politician is trying to legislate Scripture into law, I'm not "offended by Christianity" -- I'm offended that you're trying to force me to live by your religion's rules. You know how you get really upset at the thought of Muslims imposing Sharia law on you? That's how I feel about Christians trying to impose biblical law on me. Be a Christian. Do your thing. Just don't force it on me or mine.

8. I don't believe LGBT people should have more rights than you. I just believe they should have the *same* rights as you.

9. I don't believe illegal immigrants should come to America and have the world at their feet, especially since THIS ISN'T WHAT THEY DO (spoiler: undocumented immigrants are ineligible for all those programs they're supposed to be abusing, and if they're "stealing" your job it's because your employer is hiring illegally). I'm not opposed to deporting people who are here illegally, but I believe there are far more humane ways to handle undocumented immigration than our current practices (i.e., detaining children, splitting up families, ending DACA, etc).

10. I don't believe the government should regulate everything, but since greed is such a driving force in our country, we NEED regulations to prevent cut corners, environmental destruction, tainted food/water, unsafe materials in consumable goods or medical equipment, etc. It's not that I want the government's hands in everything -- I just don't trust people trying to make money to ensure that their products/practices/etc. are actually SAFE. Is the government devoid of shadiness? Of course not. But with those regulations in place, consumers have recourse if they're harmed and companies are liable for medical bills, environmental cleanup, etc. Just kind of seems like common sense when the alternative to government regulation is letting companies bring their bottom line into the equation.

11. I believe our current administration is fascist. Not because I dislike them or because I can’t get over an election, but because I've spent too many years reading and learning about the Third Reich to miss the similarities. Not because any administration I dislike must be Nazis, but because things are actually mirroring authoritarian and fascist regimes of the past.

12. I believe the systemic racism and misogyny in our society is much worse than many people think, and desperately needs to be addressed. Which means those with privilege -- white, straight, male, economic, etc. -- need to start listening, even if you don't like what you're hearing, so we can start dismantling everything that's causing people to be marginalized.

13. I am not interested in coming after your blessed guns, nor is anyone serving in government. What I am interested in is sensible policies, including background checks, that just MIGHT save one person’s, perhaps a toddler’s, life by the hand of someone who should not have a gun. (Got another opinion? Put it on your page, not mine).

14. I believe in so-called political correctness. I prefer to think it’s social politeness. If I call you Chuck and you say you prefer to be called Charles I’ll call you Charles. It’s the polite thing to do. Not because everyone is a delicate snowflake, but because as Maya Angelou put it, when we know better, we do better. When someone tells you that a term or phrase is more accurate/less hurtful than the one you're using, you now know better. So why not do better? How does it hurt you to NOT hurt another person?

15. I believe in funding sustainable energy, including offering education to people currently working in coal or oil so they can change jobs. There are too many sustainable options available for us to continue with coal and oil. Sorry, billionaires. Maybe try investing in something else.

16. I believe that women should not be treated as a separate class of human. They should be paid the same as men who do the same work, should have the same rights as men and should be free from abuse. Why on earth shouldn’t they be?

I think that about covers it. Bottom line is that I'm a liberal because I think we should take care of each other. That doesn't mean you should work 80 hours a week so your lazy neighbor can get all your money. It just means I don't believe there is any scenario in which preventable suffering is an acceptable outcome as long as money is saved.

So, I'm a liberal.
 
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